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The Past And Future Election

Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:26:36 AM PDT

American Presidential elections are about the future, and not the past. It's for that reason that the contrast between the junior senator from Illinois and the senior senator from Arizona is so fascinating.

The Republican National Committee is planning a $19.5 million advertising campaign to portray Mr. Obama, 46, as out of touch with the country and too inexperienced to be commander in chief, seeking to put him on the defensive before he can use his financial advantage against Mr. McCain, 71, party officials said.

"In 1984, Ronald Reagan said, ‘I’m not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience,’ " said Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee. "Well, we are going to exploit Obama’s youth and inexperience."

On the Democratic side, Mr. Obama’s aides this week put finishing touches on advertisements intended to tether Mr. McCain to Mr. Bush and chip away at his image as a maverick, an identity that the aides said they found remained strong with voters.

"By November, every voter will know that McCain is offering a third Bush term," said Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe.

It isn't the age stuff (McCain at 72 would be the oldest President ever inaugurated, and as he put it himself, he's a man of "the twentieth century, my century"; Obama would be a year older than Bill Clinton was when Clinton took office.) It isn't character (McCain made it to the top the Republican way: he cheated on his first wife and married a Sugar Momma, who still finances his political ambitions; see McCain campaign violates own travel policy and the issue of Cindy McCain's tax returns.) No, it's none of that. It's the important stuff, issues in the real world that affect all of us. As David Gergen put it:

"The next president will inherit the most difficult agenda since the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt," he warned.

Gergen stressed that a continuation of current policies would likely result in the decline of America while Japan, China and India may become superpowers within the next few decades. Whether the U.S. will remain one is questionable, he said, especially if our policies remain static.

According to Gergen, America not only needs to change its policies, but revolutionize them. In addition, problems including two extensive wars, the education system and job growth require solving, not "sugar-coating."

It is in this regard that the contrast is so striking. So, let's look at the three issues Americans have identified as "most important" to them.

Iraq (statements from Foreign Affairs):

Obama:
To renew American leadership in the world, we must first bring the Iraq war to a responsible end and refocus our attention on the broader Middle East. Iraq was a diversion from the fight against the terrorists who struck us on 9/11, and incompetent prosecution of the war by America's civilian leaders compounded the strategic blunder of choosing to wage it in the first place. We have now lost over 3,300 American lives, and thousands more suffer wounds both seen and unseen.

McCain:
Whether success grows closer or more distant over the coming months, it is clear that Iraq will be a central issue for the next U.S. president. Democratic candidates have promised to withdraw U.S. troops and "end the war" by fiat, regardless of the consequences. To make such decisions based on the political winds at home, rather than on the realities in the theater, is to court disaster. The war in Iraq cannot be wished away, and it is a miscalculation of historic magnitude to believe that the consequences of failure will be limited to one administration or one party. This is an American war, and its outcome will touch every one of our citizens for years to come.

That is why I support our continuing efforts to win in Iraq. It is also why I oppose a preemptive withdrawal strategy that has no Plan B for the aftermath of its inevitable failure and the greater problems that would ensue.

So who's right? Hint: not John McCain. Writing this month in Foreign Affairs, Steven Simon notes in The Price of the Surge (bolded mine):

Unfortunately, such claims misconstrue the causes of the recent fall in violence and, more important, ignore a fatal flaw in the strategy. The surge has changed the situation not by itself but only in conjunction with several other developments: the grim successes of ethnic cleansing, the tactical quiescence of the Shiite militias, and a series of deals between U.S. forces and Sunni tribes that constitute a new bottom-up approach to pacifying Iraq. The problem is that this strategy to reduce violence is not linked to any sustainable plan for building a viable Iraqi state. If anything, it has made such an outcome less likely, by stoking the revanchist fantasies of Sunni Arab tribes and pitting them against the central government and against one another. In other words, the recent short-term gains have come at the expense of the long-term goal of a stable, unitary Iraq.

Despite the current lull in violence, Washington needs to shift from a unilateral bottom-up surge strategy to a policy that promotes, rather than undermines, Iraq's cohesion. That means establishing an effective multilateral process to spur top-down political reconciliation among the major Iraqi factions. And that, in turn, means stating firmly and clearly that most U.S. forces will be withdrawn from Iraq within two or three years. Otherwise, a strategy adopted for near-term advantage by a frustrated administration will only increase the likelihood of long-term debacle.

Of course, McCain (the so-called military expert) hasn't been pinned down for a response about this, which qualifies as an example of Gergen's "sugar coating":

"So the Pentagon would maintain a team of 'military analysts' who reliably 'carry their water' -- yet who were presented as independent analysts by the television and cable networks. By feeding only those pro-Government sources key information and giving them access -- even before responding to the press -- only those handpicked analysts would be valuable to the networks, and that, in turn, would ensure that only pro-Government sources were heard from.

Hmmm... well, let's turn to another topic of import: health reform.

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Health reform (analysis from Health Care Policy and Marketplace Review)

For another review of McCain's health care policy see this post. For today, let's start with a real headline:

McCain camp working out healthcare details
Aides struggle to sort out his promises

Ouch. Okay, let's get some non-partisan review from respected analyst Bob Laszewski:

McCain:
However, the real question is, will McCain's plan give people enough to be able to afford health insurance? With the average cost of employer-provided family health insurance at $12,000 a year, a $5,000 tax credit will often come up way short—especially for higher age people and those who don't have the benefit of an employer contribution. High deductibles and HSA plans will help but families who don't have employer contributions should be prepared to pay at least a few thousand extra dollars...

   If McCain were to be successful in moving the system from the employer to the individual with his individual tax credit proposals, the employer arguably would have a smaller incentive to continue providing these benefits. Many employers might simply say, "Here's the money I was paying—go find your own coverage." It may just be easier for the employer to drop the coverage and give the employee the cash value of the health benefits.

   The employer would also have the new advantage of having the difference in wages go up each year by the wage rate while the employee saw his health care costs rise at the rate of health care inflation—which has averaged two to three times more.

   McCain does not have a mandate to buy insurance for individuals or employers. So, people can still opt to go without coverage.

   Again, the big question is how does McCain see his individual health insurance market working. How will he deal with age rating, medical underwriting, and pre-existing conditions? If McCain does not develop an individual health insurance market everyone can access, no matter how old or how sick they are, his plan will fall way short. He needs to detail his "risk adjustment bonus" scheme for older and higher cost families.

Obama:
Will Obama be able to cut the typical family’s health care costs by $2,500 a year?

Well, yes and no.

All of the candidates, Republican and Democratic, are calling for most of what is on the Obama cost containment list; expanding health information technology, improving prevention and better management of chronic conditions, and a more vibrant health insurance market.

Obama is unique in calling for catastrophic reinsurance coverage in order to reduce the cost of family health insurance. Really, this is not a cost reduction but a cost shift. This idea, first proposed by Senator Kerry in his failed bid for the presidency, would have the federal government absorb a large portion of the highest cost claims thereby taking these costs out of the price of health insurance. That would reduce the price of family health insurance but would also increase federal spending by the same amount. It would also water down the incentive for insurers and employers to manage these claims since most of these costs would be transferred to the government.

Obama’s assertion that covering more people would reduce the overall cost of insurance is likely correct because it would mean less uncompensated care that would have to be shifted onto the rest of the system. Hillary Clinton would cover at least as many people as he would so there is no advantage for Obama here. Since the McCain health plan emphasizes making the insurance system affordable before ensuring widespread coverage as the first priority, one could argue that both Obama and Clinton would make gains toward near universal care well before McCain.

There are flaws in the Democratic proposals as well (a little fuzzy on cost), but I'll (indirectly) let Ezra have the last word here.

Ezra Klein of "The American Prospect" sums up the McCain plan as being "like if I tried to make food cheaper by encouraging you to diet." Like most of McCain's domestic platform, it's difficult to tell if he doesn't understand the issue or if he just doesn't care.

Double ouch.

Economy (contrast from Business Week)

In addition to this post on the LA Times/Bloomberg poll from yesterday, here's Bloomberg's assessment:

Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama get higher marks than Republican John McCain from voters on handling the U.S. economy, which Americans now consider the nation's top issue.

A Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times survey shows Clinton is favored by 32 percent of registered voters as the presidential candidate best equipped to manage the economy, followed by Obama at 26 percent and McCain with 23 percent. Even among those making more than $100,000 a year, Clinton has a slight lead over McCain.

Overall, 56 percent of registered voters choose the economy as the biggest problem facing the candidates. Voters across all income levels, age groups and party affiliations agree it is more pressing than the war in Iraq, health care, illegal immigration and other issues.

"This is a warning shot for McCain that he really needs to step up his game on talking about the economy," says Susan Pinkus, the Los Angeles Times polling director. ``The economy is more than just a national concern, it is affecting people's pocketbooks, and when that happens there is a sea change.''

Want more?

Jane Sasseen breaks down each candidate's central positions: Clinton has focused on helping the unemployed and working class, Obama has argued for more regulation, and McCain has dismissed expanding the government's role. [Business Week]

From Business Week:

Obama:
Much of Obama's emphasis was on the measures needed to shore up the regulatory structure surrounding financial markets. In his New York speech, Obama called for new standards for transparency and improved oversight of the financial sector to prevent the sort of crisis now roiling the markets. He argued that the deregulatory emphasis of the last decade has left the economy vulnerable to bubbles and special interests that have shaped the economy for their own benefit.

McCain:
The real difference that is becoming increasingly obvious, says Mathias, is between the two Democratic candidates on one side, and McCain, the Bush Administration, and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on the other. In his Mar. 25 speech, McCain argued against an expansive role for the government in responding to the crisis. And in a statement on Mar. 27, he added he believed "the role of the government is to help the truly needy, prevent systemic economic risk, and enact reforms that prevent the kind of crisis we are currently experiencing from ever happening again."

McCain derided the Democrats' proposals as little more than multibillion-dollar bailouts for big banks and speculators. "There is a tendency for liberals to seek big government programs that sock it to American taxpayers while failing to solve the very real problems we face," he said.

That McCain sure sounds like George W. Bush...

On the one hand, Treasury officials say they are convinced that today’s regulatory system is fragmented and out of date. The Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., has talked about the need to re-examine capital requirements for financial institutions.

But both President Bush and Mr. Paulson, a former chief executive of Goldman Sachs, remain philosophically opposed to restrictions and requirements that might hamper economic activity.

...but we'll let him get the last word here:

But Issenberg quoted McCain as telling reporters on December 17 in New Hampshire: "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," McCain said. "I've got Greenspan's book."

The funny thing is, it's not very funny.

So what's it to be, folks? Are we looking out the windshield or the rear view mirror? Gergen is right. Barack Obama represents a break from Bushism. John McCain will reflect George W. Bush on issue after issue, trying to both run to and run from Republicanism.

These issues, along with others from the Supreme Court (McCain wants to appoint judges like Bush) to science policy (McCain hasn't made a break with Bush, except rhetorically on global warming – NYT says it’s "central" to his campaign. Since when? – and hasn't denounced the political minders Bush has placed everywhere) to the facts about AIDS and condoms will matter a hell of a lot more than the crap "issues" the networks asked about in the debates. And as Frank Rich puts it (in a terrific column):

The year 2008 is far more complex — and exhilarating — than the old templates would have us believe. Of course we’re in pain. More voters think the country is on the wrong track (81 percent) than at any time in the history of New York Times/CBS News polling on that question. George W. Bush is the most unpopular president that any living American has known.

And yet, paradoxically, there is a heartening undertow: we know the page will turn. For all the anger and angst over the war and the economy, for all the campaign’s acrimony, the anticipation of ending the Bush era is palpable, countering the defeatist mood. The repressed sliver of joy beneath the national gloom can be seen in the record registration numbers of new voters and the over-the-top turnout in Democratic primaries.

This November, there'll be a contrast. Obama represents the future, McCain represents the past. Let's make sure we understand what's going on.

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  •  This has got to be one of the BEST diaries (20+ / 0-)

    written in a long time!

    Kudos to you!!!

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:31:53 AM PDT

  •  Hear hear (8+ / 0-)

    Let's hope that a majority of voters understand and act accordingly. Well done!

    "It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!"

    by Kestrel on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:33:47 AM PDT

  •  Dog whistle: "youth and inexperience" (5+ / 0-)

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    Translation: that boy is too lazy to work.

  •  Japan and China (3+ / 0-)

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    Have grown closer economically than ever before if this continues Japan's biggest trading could pertannually be China rather than the United States. There has also been some political rapprochement between the two countries which has been absent for almost a decade.

  •  Funny Who Gets to Set the "Agism" Meme (9+ / 0-)

    Rich how Mr. Sensitive gets to roll out the "too young" angle on Obama when he gets all cantankerous if he perceives the least bit of implication that he's too old for the job.

    Then I remember that McCain is a hypocrite of the highest order and it all makes sense.

    John McCain wants you to get off his lawn!

    by lost on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:45:21 AM PDT

  •  My personal take on StJohn McSame's military (8+ / 0-)

    expertise: he was a lackluster 3rd-from-bottom as an Annapolis student; had a nasty habit of crashing planes; crashed one in Viet Nam, which landed him an all-expense trip to the Hanoi Hilton -- and he will NOT let any of us evvah fucking forget that POW stuff!!

    P.S. McCain was a legacy type, sorta like W at Yale. Both father and granddad were high ranking Naval officers. One could call it the family business!!

    Aloha   ..  ..  ..

    •  honors to McCain (6+ / 0-)

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      for his service but so what? None of that addresses national priorities.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:52:50 AM PDT

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      •  Jes' gives him cred as a real warmonger! n/t (1+ / 0-)

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      •  McCain 101 (8+ / 0-)

        "Every generation in my family's history has served this country in time of war."

        Translation:  "I plan to make sure every succeeding generation has that same opportunity."

        •  My family, both sides, have served also! One (1+ / 0-)

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          ancestor-- who arrived in Mahtha's Vineyahd in the wake of the Mayflower-- distinquished himself in the Indian Wars, which predated the Revolution!

          I'm NOT personally happy about that, seeing as how we fucked over the Native Americans pretty good, IMHO!

          But I'm a committed pacifist, so what does all that sabre-rattling prove, anyway?!

          Since my son was in US Army 5 years, sorta makes me the peacemaker between the warriors.

          Aloha   ..  ..  ..

          •  My family as well. (5+ / 0-)

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            My ancestors even include some Hatfields (of Hatfield-McCoy Feud infamy), so it's not as if I'm from a clan of pacifists.  As a former Marine - and the mom of one son who just finished 8 years in the Navy and another son who is also a former Marine - we've not been reluctant to serve our country.  But I distinguish "serving our country" from "serving the military-industrial-financial complex."

            Oh, and being 3/8ths Cherokee, I agree with you (duh!) on the treatment of Native Americans.  On the other hand, I'm blessed to be living during the era when we Native Americans are beginning to take our homeland back, much to the dismay of Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, and that ilk.  (Yes, those "Mexicans" are mostly Native Americans: Maya, Aztec, etc.)

            Kinda puts a different spin on "illegal immigrant" when the "immigrant" is a Native American, eh?

            •  Once dated a guy who explained to me, with a (0+ / 0-)

              pained look on his face: There's no such thing as a "former Marine"!  Once a Marine, always a Marine!!
              Semper Fi!!

              I salute your family's service. I endured 26 years virtually a soldier: Dad was a career officer!

              I as well distinguish "serving our country" from making fatter the lobbyists of the M-I-F-C!!  Ike sure got that right, all those many years ago.

              McSame prolly counts that stuff as part of his considerable "military experience"!

              Perhaps Buchanan 'n Dobbs belong to the ILK tribe!!
              I can't claim any Native American heritage, but while living in my native state, Penna, did become aquainted with a few Lenni Lenape -- who are referred to as "Delaware" Indians. That alway irks me, since Lord De La Waar was a Brit adventurer of Flemish extraction!!

              Prolly no worse than misnomer "Indian" b/c poor Christoforo Columbo really didn't know where he was!

              Here in Hawai'i, the ignorant refer to locals as Hawaiians. Wrong! NOT the same as New Yawkers live in NY. I happen to have some friends who are Hawaiians: which is based on a quantum, but their numbers much decimated (no, make that annihilated!)
              due to the introduction of foreign microbes.

              P.S. Have the Hatfields and McCoys stopped feuding?
              Enquiring minds wanna know!!

              Aloha   ..  ..  ..

      •  Where were the honors to John Kerry? (0+ / 0-)

        We ran a Vietnam war hero last time 'round, and what did we get?  Swiftboat Liars and purple heart band-aids.  Screw thanking John McCain for his war service.  He's got over 35 years of government service since then, and all of that is a lot more relevant to his campaign than getting caught and locked away in a POW camp.

        We can thank him for his sacrifices forty years ago, but scrutinize his subsequent performance with a lot less gratitude.

        I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.

        by Dallasdoc on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:37:08 PM PDT

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    •  Dad and granddad were both near the bottom.,, (2+ / 0-)

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      of their classes as well.

      CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

      by irate on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:29:25 AM PDT

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  •  btw note on the graph in the post (5+ / 0-)

    that the iraq war has not faded; the economy has surged.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:55:21 AM PDT

  •  Wonderful diary (4+ / 0-)

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    on the policy positions of the two candidates.

    The attempt to portray Obama as inexperienced may backfire on the economic side, because of McCain's assertion that he doesn't know much about the economy.  Not just the literal statement, but what has he been doing in Washington for all these years if he still knows nothing and can offer no better than "What George did" as his policy proposals on the economy.

    Especially since the Iraq war has such a direct effect on our economy: strength of the dollar vs. price of commodities, ie, GAS, being so directly tied together and the deficit to pay for Iraq drives down the dollar.  That's just one negative that John McCain doesn't understand.

    Not to mention the economy is 70% consumer driven and the consumers are collapsing under the housing crisis, credit card debt and inflation.  He's essentially demanding the collapse of the economy with his policies.  It may be irretrievable in any event, but he doesn't understand enough to see the crash coming.

    •  The policy papers and Speeches (0+ / 0-)

      as campaign and media issues Don't matter what matter is who is better articulating his/her message and counter his/her opponent's and in that regard JMC owns a big, fat turd of a problem he is on record (video and print) advocating for all sides of every issue the last 10 years.

      the dem's 527 and DNC adv. will write himself, going back to the graph:

      1. Economy: he described himself as an ignoramus, later recanted (on MTP), Tax cuts he was against and now is for that pretty much sums his position in the economy taxes).
      1. Iraq War: biggest cheerleader, he was against the SoKorea model and now he is for it
      1. Healthcare: he  have nothing on this other than   by eliminating employee supplied HC it will  tax your insurance premiums and add untold millions to the uninsured.
      1. Illegal inmigration he was for a comprehensive approach he is now against it.

      The theme of this campaign should be "Who is the REAL JMC", and the funny thing is that all the sunday mornings he spent bloviating in political shows will come back to bite him hard

      "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by IamTheJudge on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:19:16 AM PDT

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  •  What was the highest level (0+ / 0-)

    of command McCain had in the navy? He retired as a captain, having been spent as much time in Washington as a de facto lobbyist for the Pentagon as he did on ship. He never held a high-level command position. True, his claim to being a war hero is valid, but someone in the know should check out McCain's command credentials...

    •  umm ... (2+ / 0-)

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      A Navy Captain (O-6) is equivalent to the rank of Colonel in the other branches.  An Army, Air Force, or Marine Corps Captain (O-3) is equivalent to the rank of Lieutenant in the Navy.

      Navy Captains are pretty high up the food chain - the next higher rank has stars attached - and naval aviators of that rank are usually squadron or group commanders.  That's equal to battalion or regiment commander in the Army or Marine Corps.

      O-6 (Navy Captain, other services Colonel) is the highest "field rank," the highest rank at which you are still commanding "fighting" units.  After that, you're into the "flag ranks," where command focuses more on logistics and administration.

  •  September Surprise (0+ / 0-)

    What's going to happen if the Republicans pull a September Surprise and the leadership, having decided that McCain is too old, too ill, and just not a good bet, put forward another nominee?

    Will that take the wind out of Democratic sails after Labor Day?

    Who might that stealth candidate be?

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:55:58 AM PDT

    •  what if they do? (0+ / 0-)

      and Colin Powell is not running, nor is Condi Rice (bot h are mentioned because of broad appeal and neither could get the rabid base behind them), so tell me who they have...

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:01:18 AM PDT

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      •  Huckabee came in second in Iowa (0+ / 0-)

        after $80,000 of opo-advertising by the Club for Growth.  He also came in second in Indiana.  He's not officially campaigning, but he's got a pretty full schedule of speeches all over the country.
        Ostensibly, Huckabee is promoting McCain.  But, he's got a record of being promoted out of the second string.

        How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

        by hannah on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:12:24 AM PDT

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        •  Huckabee? (0+ / 0-)

          bwaaahahhaa

          After jeremiah wright, huckabee would have to release his sermons (the ones he won't let anyone see).

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:23:32 AM PDT

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          •  Jeremiah Wrigth has muted that particular (0+ / 0-)

            issue.  It's been worked through rather nicely.  And, Huckabee, oh so graciously, came to Wright's defense.
            Indeed, the whole guilt by association meme has also been worn out, so it will be hard to make an issue of the Lord's Ranch and the department store gift list.  Huckabee's even accepted a reprimand for some portrait of himself he accepted.  He's got all the signs of a candidate who's getting squeaky clean.

            The people who support him always have more than one horse in the race.  Just think of him as a dark horse being groomed, much as Clinton was when Bush One proved questionable.

            How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

            by hannah on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:41:08 AM PDT

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            •  nah (2+ / 0-)

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              these are Huckabee's own sermons, not guilt by association.

              Let's see what he said before declaring it a non-issue. there's a reason he refused to release them.

              But the bigger issue is that it would be the end of the republican coalition. He has no support from the Wall Street crowd.

              Bring it on (but we won't be that lucky).

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:46:38 AM PDT

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              •  No, he's got support from the off-Wall Street (0+ / 0-)

                crowd--the largest brokerage off Wall Street that handles state bonds and the David Rockefeller interests and has associational arrangements with others.  Not to mention that they manage the finances of the monopolists such as Walmart, Tyson, Monsanto and Cargyl.

                How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

                by hannah on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:37:47 AM PDT

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    •  impossible: it's too late (0+ / 0-)

      What's going to happen if the Republicans pull a September Surprise and the leadership, having decided that McCain is too old, too ill, and just not a good bet, put forward another nominee?

      Impossible. McCain has way too many hand selected delegates. It's way too late.

      The Republican party leadership could have stopped McCain before the primaries. Instead they chose him for the nomination.

  •  McLame will never be president. (1+ / 0-)

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    TOAST!!!!!

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:01:19 AM PDT

  •  Al Hunt (0+ / 0-)

    With few other reeds, embattled Republicans see McCain as a lifeboat. They know voters don't like President George W. Bush or being in bed with sleazy special interests. That's the identity of the national party.

    ...

    The economy is the party's real potential vulnerable spot, since it's an issue of pervasive concern to voters, even more than Iraq. McCain has little interest in the subject, and a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Americans give both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, the Democratic candidates, higher marks than McCain on the economy.

    Still, embattled Republican candidates won't have to drain time and energy explaining away their presidential candidate. From Congressman Christopher Shays of Connecticut to Robin Hayes of North Carolina, they can run with the head of the ticket.

    Their only task will be to explain all those awful anti-McCain diatribes from Republicans.

    http://www.iht.com/...

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:07:08 AM PDT

  •  unexpected wisdom from the morning sports page (2+ / 0-)

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    Quoting a wire service piece from my Sunday paper:

    Harold Phillips, an Orlando Sentinel reader, told the newspaper he is not buying the excuse theat players' inexperience is cosing the Magic in the NBA playoffs.

    "In World War II, I had no experience, and we still won."

    Beware all ventures which require new clothes, and not a new wearer of clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau

    by Shocko from Seattle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:15:48 AM PDT

    •  umm (again) ... (3+ / 0-)

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      True, the U.S. military lacked experience when it finally entered World War II.  For a good look at this, see Rick Atkinson's Pulitzer Prize-winning An Army At Dawn, about the war in North Africa from November 1942 to March 1943.  Capsule summary:  U.S. troops and their leaders didn't fight very well in that campaign.

      As for the "and we still won" part, it would be better to say "and we were still on the winning side."  Six decades of nationalistic breast-beating notwithstanding, the United States did not "win" World War II.  The Soviet Union beat Germany, and the Chinese beat Japan.

      We helped, yes, especially in providing arms and equipment to the other combatants.  But must of the fighting and dying - and winning - was done by the Soviet Union (which faced 70% of Germany's war machine and inflicted 80% of her casualties) and China (which faced 90% of the Japanese Army and bled her white).

      Aside: America's refusal to credit the Russians and Chinese for their principal efforts - between them, Russia and China suffered 60% of the war's casualties - is one more way we anger the rest of the world ... by taking credit for their sacrifice.

      •  Have you ever seen (2+ / 0-)

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        "The Unknown War"? It's a series about the fighting on the Eastern Front in WWII. Amazing footage of tanks just blowing up and vanishing, things like that. It was the bloodiest fighting of the war.

        Fritzburgh An'at--Politics, Culture, and Whimsy from a Chipped Chopped Mind

        by Bob Quixote on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:11:12 AM PDT

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        •  Yes I have, and agreed. (3+ / 0-)

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          It's natural for a people to talk more about their own accomplishments than the efforts of others.  But it's reached the point where even BBC-made documentaries about D-Day feel obliged to (correctly!) note that, "Despite the Hollywood portayals, British troops were the bulk of the forces landed on D-Day."  (From Line of Fire: Normandy.)

          When even your closest allies are getting tired of being ignored in your histories, it's a pretty big clue that maybe you're looking in the mirror a bit too much.

      •  points taken (1+ / 0-)

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        Of course they're taken. I'm the adult child of an academic.

        But I didn't offer that modest quotation as a matter of historical record, I offered it as a marketing tool.

        The meme (a word I shouldn't use, since I have absolutely no idea what it really means, nor where it came from) seems to be that Obama suffers from a perceived lack of experience, in comparison to his two opponents. Or single opponent, as it works out.

        Senator Clinton's candidacy has argued, in part, that Obama as an African-American with no military experience and youth on his side will not do well come November with older voters.  That little quotation is a potential answer to that cohort, who more than any other living generation have bought into the myth of America: Remember the great victories of your own youth, and do not discount his.

        That's all I was trying, hurriedly as usual, to offer up.

        Beware all ventures which require new clothes, and not a new wearer of clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau

        by Shocko from Seattle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:38:58 AM PDT

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  •  Obama Ad (6+ / 0-)

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    "So what's it to be, folks? Are we looking out the windshield or the rear view mirror?"

    That is a great line!  I would love to see an ad highlighting the differences between an Obama administration looking forward into the future - "out the front windshield" - and the potential disaster that four more years of McSame would bring - trying to drive while looking through "the rear view mirrror".

    Obama 2008 - An American President America needs, NOW!

    by sharbutt on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:36:31 AM PDT

  •  Question (1+ / 0-)

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    "Obama represents the future, McCain represents the past."

    - does this mean that investigations and hearings on all the Bush administration illegalities and lies is off the table as something we want Democratic politicans and of course, the Democratic Presidential nominee, to talk about in the 2008 campaign?

    IMO, we cannot have a good future without taking care also of all the problems in governance introduced during 2000-2008 (I don't have to list them out for the dkos readers.)

    •  talk about it if you think its a winning issue (0+ / 0-)

      most people will want to talk about it after the election, not before.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:47:42 AM PDT

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  •  A Lesson Learned from Rove? (2+ / 0-)

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    Attacking McCain on what is perceived to be his strongest feature--his "maverickness"--is taken directly from the Karl Rove playbook.  And I don't intend that as a criticism.  However deplorable his tactics may have been, Rove was onto something in attacking what is perceived to be the opponent's greatest strength, and in doing so early in the campaign to set him on his heels and define him in the eyes of voters (especially those who pay limited attention to issues).

    Here, of course, Democrats do not have to engage in Swiftboat-style smears to demolish the maverick brand.  McCain has provided more than enough ammunition in his Senate votes and speeches over the years, many of which are fortunately preserved on video and audio.  

  •  The "out of touch" angle won't work (0+ / 0-)

    since most Americans want a more liberal direction, and when they see Obama in person or on TV he comes across as genuine and likeable. It will work in shoring up the small GOP base that is left (and this is probably the motivation behind the "out of touch" thing), but most or all of these people would not have voted for Obama anyway.

    The inexperience angle is more damning I think. I can see this meme swaying some indie voters and even some Dems. On the other hand people already perceive Obama as young and inexperienced and he still leads in most polls. I think that many people will have some reservations about Obama's experience but they will vote for him anyway.

    I am hoping that the GOP aims more at "out of touch" than inexperienced.

    Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

    by Joe B on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:18:24 AM PDT

  •  McCain TV ads (3+ / 0-)

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    Here in Columbus, OH, there seems to be an ad every hour for McCain.  In part of it he is pushing his "common sense" solution for health care.  I'm surprised at the early ad blitz, and also wonder whether this is further defiance of the spending limits he should be under since he was accepted for federal financing and used that acceptance for monetary gain in getting a loan and ballot access.

    •  Very interesting (1+ / 0-)

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      When I read your post, I asked myself why. The primary's over, and Columbus--or at least the white, suburban part of it--is as red as it gets, so why does McCain need to run ads there now? I can think of only one explanation--he's scared.

      Like your handle, BTW. I'm a Columbus native and have spent many a night at Scioto Downs. When I worked at a racetrack in Minnesota, I heard people in the simulcast center ask each other, "Where is this 'SKI-oto' Downs?" Nobody got it right.

      Fritzburgh An'at--Politics, Culture, and Whimsy from a Chipped Chopped Mind

      by Bob Quixote on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:59:55 AM PDT

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  •  McCains boat is gonna sink (1+ / 0-)

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    And I hope he takes a lot of his 'shipmates' down with him. Richs article today gave me hope that the young people in this country will save the day and won't fall for the same shit that a lot of the guys I work with did.

    Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore

    by Horsehead on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:44:49 AM PDT

  •  More bluster from McCain on Iraq (1+ / 0-)

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    McCain keeps pushing for even MORE troops in Iraq.  From McCain's website:

    A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq. More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds; to provide security for rebuilding local institutions and economies; to halt sectarian violence in Baghdad and disarm Sunni and Shia militias; to dismantle al Qaeda; to train the Iraqi Army; and to embed American personnel in Iraqi police units. Accomplishing each of these goals will require more troops and is a crucial prerequisite for needed economic and political development in the country. America's ultimate strategy is to give Iraqis the capabilities to govern and secure their own country.

    But the Iraq Study Group foresaw the problems that we would face in Iraq, even with a surge of troops.  From Iraq Study Group, pg 30:

    Sustained increases in U.S. troop levels would not solve the fundamental cause of violence in Iraq, which is the absence of national reconciliation. A senior American general told us that adding U.S. troops might temporarily help limit violence in a highly localized area. However, past experience indicates that the violence would simply rekindle as soon as U.S. forces are moved to another area. As another American general told us, if the Iraqi government does not make political progress, “all the troops in the world will not provide security.” Meanwhile, America’s military capacity is stretched thin: we do not have the troops or equipment to make a substantial, sustained increase in our troop presence. Increased deployments to Iraq would also necessarily hamper our ability to provide adequate resources for our efforts in Afghanistan or respond to crises around the world.

    McCain keeps maintaining that Iraq is the central front in the war on al Qaeda.  

    General Petraeus is correct when he says that the central battleground in the struggle against Al Qaeda is Iraq, and Osama bin Laden just confirmed that again with his comments last week.  General Petraeus and I and Osama bin Laden are in agreement. It is hard to understand why Senator Clinton and Senator Obama do not understand that [Iraq is the central battleground]. I don't know if it is naiveté or what the problem is but it's obvious that they're dead wrong, and they're wrong when they say that we should leave Iraq immediately… and it's time that they acknowledge that the surge is succeeding and the benefits of success in Iraq will spread throughout the entire Middle East.

    But according to reporting from NBC's Richard Engel, a senior US military official recently told him,

    "We've pretty much defeated al-Qaida here."

    McCain continues to get it all wrong.

    DemFromCT has this all right.  Let's keep focused on knocking McCain off his high horse.

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    by D Wreck on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:49:18 AM PDT

  •  Excellent Summation (1+ / 0-)

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    This diary tells you everything you need to know about what this election is actually about, and where the candidates have stood on issues of consequence. Which is a focus that's so easy to lose when you pay attention to what the press seems to think is important - flag lapel pins and such.

    Stuck Between Stations : Thoughts from a bottomless pool of useless information.

    by Answer Guy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:04:07 AM PDT

  •  You want to talk out of touch? (2+ / 0-)

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    McCain has more homes than the average person could own in multiple lifetimes, he thinks all Americans can afford to go to the doctor frequently, and he thinks Americans don't mind being in Iraq for 100 more years.

    Now who is out of touch.

    Refuge Watch -- news from America's national wildlife refuges

    by Naturegal on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:21:51 AM PDT

  •  Brilliant. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "How often misused words generate misleading thoughts."
    ~Herbert Spencer~

    by Eidolon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:39:22 AM PDT

  •  kudos (1+ / 0-)

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    This is outstanding, a point of reference for the remainder of the election. I wish you had put the entire post above the fold!

    I love this line by the way:

    Like most of McCain's domestic platform, it's difficult to tell if he doesn't understand the issue or if he just doesn't care.

  •  Very good diary (0+ / 0-)

    I enjoyed Rich's column and the NY Times front page article about the coming election. With Americans so disillusioned with Bush, I just don't see how this election can be close. Even on personality issues, McCain is an old, grumpy, ugly dude while Obama is a classy, young, handsome figure.

    I still have a tough time seeing McCain get over 40% of the vote, but we'll see. I also thought Bush should have lost big time in 2004 (although Bush was polling better then than McCain is now).

    Old Man McCain.com - the best anti-McCain blog on the web!

    by existenz on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:26:00 AM PDT

    •  Bush was an incumbent dutring a war (0+ / 0-)

      big difference.

      Obama is not Kerry.

      big difference.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:29:16 AM PDT

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  •  McCain is running on a platform of "Eff you!" (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah...good luck with that in November.

    Doesn't John McCain look tired?

    by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:27:54 AM PDT

  •  What Happened to "The Education System?' (0+ / 0-)

    Ah, yes, DemFromCT informs us "Gergen is right . . . . the three issues Americans have identified as 'most important' to them" are "Iraq," "Health reform," and "Economy." Wait a minute DemFromCT, didn't Gergen mention "the education system?" Gosh, I just cut and pasted these words from Gergen's quotation, so I guess so. Um, why didn't you mention this item as among Gergen's "issues Americans have identified as 'most important' to them?"

    Why, after all, Daily Kos has a Science Thread sporadical, so readers must have some interest in science, I guess. Of course lack of a Humanities Thread might indicate the presumed anti-intellectualism of readers. After all, as once responded on this site, there isn't anything new (or interesting?) in the humanities. I mean, what relevance is there for a political policy oriented site to the study of humanity?

    Gosh I guess that means the new Progressives care not about ideas. Oh, wait, maybe I'm wrong, after all we have "The New (Very Public) Confession" in The Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
    and "The Age of the Wooden Spoon" in The Nation http://www.thenation.com/..., so who needs to be exposed to ideas at Daily Kos? . . . Nyaah . . . .

    After all, "there's nothing new in the humanities" anyway for real policy wonks, not those softies over at Huffington Post and The Nation. People are people, same ole', same ole' . . . HEY, but science, WOW, now that's something a real policy wonk needs to know! We're gonna' engineer them people, and to hell with understanding anything about them. How can you make policy for people if you don't know nuthin' 'bout astronomy?

    •  LOL... Are you a jerk in real life (2+ / 0-)

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      or do you just play one on the internets?

      What a sour, curmudgeonly, half-baked, ill-informed academic comment. (OK, I had entirely too much fun with that. And while you're at, it get off my lawn.)

      Wait a minute DemFromCT, didn't Gergen mention "the education system?"

      Yes, he did. However, the polls clearly demonstrate that the economy, Iraq and health care (in that order) predominate. Had you bothered to click the link I provided (where it says 'most important'), you would have seen that. Or, you could just look at the provided graph. Humanities people do graphs, right? And they care about, um, what real people think, right? Yeah, I thought so.

      Humanities are wonderful and important. I'm married to a medieval historian, and unlike me she does INTERESTING stuff. And nowhere did I say otherwise.

      This is one of those "How DARE you talk about what you're interested instead of what I'M interested in" comments, to which the proper response is "write your own damn diary, humanities person, and quit whining about what other people write about." You'll give people a terribly unfair portrait and impression of what humanities folks are about.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:59:31 AM PDT

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    •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

      This is incomprehensible drivel.  
      Say what you mean moron, or comment less, please.

    •  I take it back (0+ / 0-)

      You're contributing nothing here, philandrel.  You just started commenting on D'Kos two days ago and all you have to say is a bunch of nonsense garbage.  GO AWAY TROLL!!!!!  

      •  You might want to rethink one part of that. (0+ / 0-)

        Philandrel has a 55k UID compared to your 146k UID. He's being an obnoxious idiot and deserves to be called on that, but he has more than a 2-day commenting history.

        •  I have no idea what (0+ / 0-)

          a UID is, and I'm not that sure that I care to know either.  Sorry.  I admit, that I'm not a regular here at Kos either, but I at least am (was) here occasionally (never again after today, btw) because I want/ed to contribute something positive to the place.  

          People like the poster above are what as know as:  "Assholes."  They don't want to contribute anything to the discussion, their criticisms are not constructive, they just like to be catty, bitchy and rude and they have the effect of squelching our discussion with their chattering nonsense and non sequiturs, lies and misdirections, I believe.  What's more I feel that  this is being done on purpose to sour our forums and make political discourse difficult if not impossible for the left.  

          They say it's about free speech.. them being able to say whatever they want wherever they want.. but it's really about the right (ours) to peacefully assemble and discuss politics without being shouted down by some clownish dolt with hardly an IQ point to spare.

          Good night!

          •  Just deleted all of my diary entries.. (0+ / 0-)

            good bye have fun.

          •  All I was doing was pointing out (0+ / 0-)

            that you were accusing someone of having a 2-day comment history who'd actually been here longer than you. Which I did not imply absolved him of being an obnoxious idiot, asshole, term of your choosing.

            •  Don't worry - it's nothing that you said.. (0+ / 0-)

              that offended me so much.  I know that you were trying to be helpful and that you even went so far as to point out that I was right in the one sense (that the guy's a creep) BUT that you were also saying that I was technically wrong in another sense.. a) that he's been around more than two days and b) that I haven't been around all that long myself.  

              The thing is this is a well-written article.  I enjoyed reading it and DemFromCT's writing had left me feeling inspired.. and then I am treated to nonsense like this:

              "Gosh I guess that means the new Progressives care not about ideas."  

              I'm sorry, but where I differ from you guys here (why I have to leave) is that I want to round up this guy and beat his skull and his organs in so far that he/she/it will never be able to make another stupid obnoxious post like that one ever again.  

              In other words - I need to clear my head and get the hell off of the internet before someone like poor Philandrel winds up another sad statistic and I end up in prison somewhere.  I am implementing some media ecology on myself.  I'm turning it off, as they say.  Wasn't anything you did, though -0 :)

              GREAT ARTICLE by the way.  

  •  He he he (0+ / 0-)

    The Republican National Committee is planning a $19.5 million advertising campaign

    The Republican "strategists" are truly floundering.  There is some political wisdom which suggests that framing the candidates/issues early on gives you control, and thus it is wise to spend the money early.  The response to this is that people forget the early stuff, and it is better to keep your powder dry for the endgame.

    The Republican strategist gleefully pointed out in 2000 that Gore tried to frame the issues early with a massive ad buy, and this basically failed to impact the campaign.

    Now, it is certain to fail.  Obama isn't some unknown: he's been on every TV screen over 1,000 times in the last year.  Is is too late to get in the early framing.  So the Republicans appear to be wasting their limited resources on an early framing bid that is certain to fail, meaning they'll be ever more financially-outgunned later in the game.

  •  Big issue Media (1+ / 0-)

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    Reagan: Broadcast News
    Bill Clinton: CNN
    GWB: FOX

    1. Youtube
    1. the intertubes

    Not so long ago all that a  voter had to make an opinion of a candidate were  30 sec clip and the  musings  of a few talking heads to make sense of it, now is a different ball game, examples of what hurt the candidates the most so far:

    BHO: the muslim smear that is keep alive via email and Rev. Wright "come home to roost"  youtube, bitter HuffPo
    JMC: 100th years in Iraq, youtube
    HRC: Sniper dodging youtube, "white americans" a recording of a newspaper phone interview that was posted online.

    Notice something? none began life on TV, and in the case of HRC and JMC in general and BHO's bitter-gate are self inflicted wounds.

    1. Candidates are their worst enemies
    1. TV News do not initiate anything they are just "hollers" that amplify the dems scandal du jour.

    Between JMC and BHO who do you think will be more prone to supply the "macaca moment" this election?

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by IamTheJudge on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:10:34 AM PDT

  •  McCain's "Health Plan" (0+ / 0-)

    McCain:
    However, the real question is, will McCain's plan give people enough to be able to afford health insurance? With the average cost of employer-provided family health insurance at $12,000 a year, a $5,000 tax credit will often come up way short—especially for higher age people and those who don't have the benefit of an employer contribution.

    It's even worse than this. McCain's plan calls for making employer-provided health benefits taxable income to the employee - so for an average family, you can expect that the $5,000 tax credit will just about offset the new tax liability. And, assuming that the $5,000 tax credit won't increase at the same 10% rate as health insurance, in just 2-3 years, $5k won't cover the tax liability.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:37:12 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, also, if you're like me (0+ / 0-)

      and so broke that you don't pay $5000 in income taxes, what the hell is that going to do? I make more than the EITC allows, and i pay less than these "you'll just have to scrimp on your second boat" folks who think saving on the tens of thousands in taxes they pay on your annual millions will allow them to buy everything else they've ever wanted.

  •  Don't listen too much to pundit Gergen!!! (0+ / 0-)

    While this professional pundit might be right regarding this story, I'll never forget how he hailed the Baker/Hamilton report as the document that would help speed the withdrawl of troops and end the didsaster in Iraq. In fact he compared it to Vietnman wishing such a report had been commissioned then...thus ending that fiasco earlier!

    What ended-up happening was the exact opposite of Gergen's anaylsis and it surprises me he still gets so much air time & print space after being so wrong!!!

    Danish citizen living in Sydney, Australia

    by From the Middle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:37:40 AM PDT

  •  Obama and the Dems need to go negative big time (0+ / 0-)

    John F. Kennedy was about the future too: young, charismatic, intelligent, and he wiped the floor with Nixon during the TV debates.  But he still would have lost in 1960 to Tricky Dick if a bunch of Illinois voters hadn't somehow crawled to the polling booth in spite of the fact they were dead (thank you, Mayor Daley).      

    I don't know what nasty, vicious, personal attacks the Dems are cooking up for fall, but they had better use every single one of them.  The average American voter is plagued by inertia and stupidity -- it will take a huge barrage of fearmongering to convince them to vote against a white Republican war hero.  

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." (Frederick Douglass, 1857)

    by dotalbon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:24 AM PDT

  •  Tear apart McCain's phony image, or lose (0+ / 0-)

    I hope the Obama camp doesn't underestimate danger of the phony image McCain has built, St. John the Maverick POW. Lots of voters end up knowing nothing more than gut level sound bites like "McCain = old but superman POW" and "Obama = good speeches but dangerously inexperienced".

    "Maverick" is a dangerously powerful McCain sound bite because it puts a positive spin on some of his worst problems like being a psycho and a liar.

  •  mccain is a war hero (0+ / 0-)

    but im voting for obama and do respect mccain

  •  WRITE-IN HILLARY CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION! (0+ / 0-)

    What the Superdelegates fail to understand is that MORE THAN HALF of the Democrats in this country voted for Hillary Clinton and even though Barack Obama has denied Florida and Michigan voters their voice, those voters WILL have a voice in the General Election and I do not think it will be good for Barack Obama, the Superdelegates, or the Democratic Party if he has stolen the nomination by disenfranchising them.

    I also think that, with Barack Obama, we may have an "October Surprise" if he is called as a witness or as a defendant in his dealings with Tony Rezko if Obama is the nominee. But, with Hillary Clinton, we may have an August Surprise after the upcoming contests - I think it will be a landslide victory for her in very important states in this union.

    I am here in California where we are starting a movement to WRITE-IN HILLARY CLINTON on the General Election ballot if her name is not already on it. We are starting new blogs and getting the word out.

    I also want to say that those Superdelegates who switched allegiances and then made what I believe it be LAME EXCUSES for doing so - like Bill Richardson and others who I believe just had revenge or misogyny at heart which is where I think Teddy Kennedy is coming from - will NEVER have my support for ANY REASON in the future and I am quite certain that I am not alone in this. There is NO REASON for ANY Superdelegate to make a decision yet or to have switched their allegiances from Hillary to Barack - NONE, whatsoever. They should have waited until the election was actually over - with ALL voters having had their say.

    As for the Democratic Party, the DNC, Howard Dean, and what seems to me to be an inept Rules Committee, it seem evident to me that they imposed rules to intentionally block Hillary Clinton voters from having their voices heard and their votes counted and everything they have done since has been to slant things in favor of Barack Obama, in my opinion.

    Hillary Clinton has worked hard for decades - BEFORE Barack Obama was even on the political scene and she is a good person who has done good things for the people of this country for all of those years. Yet, there are people whose loyalty she should have been able to count on that wrongfully turned their backs on her for false "reasons" - for selfish reasons and intentions that are not in the best interest of this country that is falling apart at the seams right now. We need a truly experienced President who KNOWS the ins and outs of this country and the rest of the world. We need someone who can get us back on track in all of the right ways. Hillary Clinton's long-planned ideas to bring this about have, piece-by-piece, been "adopted" by Barack Obama. I do not know if he has ever come up with a single solid plan of his own.

    I also want to say that those who think they are "in-the-know" believe that Hillary Clinton Democrats will somehow succumb to Barack Obama's "charms" and vote for him if he is the nominee in the General Election. I have heard some of them commenting about it on CNN and other news stations - they are very cocksure that this is what will happen. They do not believe us when we say we WILL NOT vote for a man who denied part of our country their rightful votes and who STOLE the election from a woman who would have made a much better President for this country at this time in our history.

    Having said this, I still do not think it is over for Hillary. She is heading into primaries this coming week that should give Superdelegates and everyone pause. RESPONSIBLE Superdelegates will vote for the best candidate - the one who carried the entire Democratic base and the one with well thought out ORIGINAL plans to put this country back on the right track, and the one that MORE THAN HALF of the Democrats in this country will have voted for in the end.  

    •  Hillary is a great candidate (0+ / 0-)

      but she lost. It's over.

      It's great to show loyalty (kudos to you) but you're going to have to adjust.

      Same message I had to give to my mom. Sorry.

      And there's nothing stolen about this. If FL and MI get all their delegates (and they'll get seated in some fashion), she still loses. Those are the rules, and Hillary is bound by them.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:08:48 PM PDT

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    •  i'm writing in clinton and... (1+ / 2-)

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      organizing florida democrats to do the same. i have a lot of positive responses so far!

    •  You're no Democrat (2+ / 0-)

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      if you write in Hillary Clinton. Be gone, troll.

      (-8.38, -8.00) "If Republicans will quit telling lies about Democrats then we'll quit telling the truth about Republicans." --Adlai Stevenson

      by hyperstation on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:07:23 AM PDT

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  •  Obama and the Terrorists (0+ / 0-)

    In Obama's quote from Foreign Affairs he talks about the war in Iraq as being a "diversion from the real war on terrorists." But one of the key causes of resentment among the Arab world towards the US government has been the unrelenting oppression of the Palestinian people. The US government has always supported the creation of Israel as a de facto military base to help keep US